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Ron_Santo_ReduxThere is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
....except for Minnesota...
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
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SpankyRe: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Spanky wrote:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.066
"Notwithstanding the provisions of section 609.06 or 609.065, the use of deadly force by a peace officer in the line of duty is justified only if an objectively reasonable officer would believe, based on the totality of the circumstances known to the officer at the time and without the benefit of hindsight"
He was standing in front of a car, the operator of which refused a lawful order to get out of said car, then put said car into drive and began moving towards him after the operator's partner yelled, "Drive, baby, drive!"
Given these circumstances, a reasonable person - without the benefit of hindsight (or multiple camera angles viewed frame-by-frame) - would rightly assume that they were in danger of being run over.
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SpankyRe: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
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"Notwithstanding the provisions of section 609.06 or 609.065, the use of deadly force by a peace officer in the line of duty is justified only if an objectively reasonable officer would believe, based on the totality of the circumstances known to the officer at the time and without the benefit of hindsight"
He was standing in front of a car, the operator of which refused a lawful order to get out of said car, put said car into drive, and began moving towards him after the operator's partner yelled, "Drive, baby, drive!"
Given these circumstances, a reasonable person - without the benefit of hindsight (or multiple camera angles viewed frame-by-frame) - would rightly assume that they were in danger of being run over.
Possibly. That is not the point. The OP posted disinformation. The law doesn't say what the OP says it says.
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Ron_Santo_ReduxRe: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Spanky wrote:
Possibly. That is not the point. The OP posted disinformation. The law doesn't say what the OP says it says.
Says Mr. Credible
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Tom LeykisRe: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Spanky wrote:
Possibly. That is not the point. The OP posted disinformation. The law doesn't say what the OP says it says.
Has Spanky EVER told the truth? You have an extreme credibility problem, in Bartlett and far beyond.
Tell us again about employment laws covering San Francisco public safety personnel residency requirements, and detail the punishments for violators, AGAIN!!!
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Spanky wrote:
Possibly. That is not the point. The OP posted disinformation. The law doesn't say what the OP says it says.
Baggerism is a mental illness.
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SpankyRe: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Tom Leykis wrote:
Has Spanky EVER told the truth? You have an extreme credibility problem, in Bartlett and far beyond.
Tell us again about employment laws covering San Francisco public safety personnel residency requirements, and detail the punishments for violators, AGAIN!!!
San Francisco public safety personnel had a residency requirement that to serve they must live within the city limits. If they did not they would be fired.
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
AI Overview
Yes, a law enforcement officer generally can discharge a weapon at an oncoming vehicle in self-defense or the defense of another, but only under very specific and extreme circumstances where there is an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.
Conditions for Using Deadly Force Against a Vehicle
Policies from agencies like the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) outline specific criteria that must be met:
Imminent Threat: The officer must have a reasonable belief that a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force.
Vehicle as a Weapon: This includes situations where the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury. For example, if a driver is intentionally plowing into an officer or bystander.
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SpankyRe: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
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AI Overview
Yes, a law enforcement officer generally can discharge a weapon at an oncoming vehicle in self-defense or the defense of another, but only under very specific and extreme circumstances where there is an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.
Conditions for Using Deadly Force Against a Vehicle
Policies from agencies like the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) outline specific criteria that must be met:
Imminent Threat: The officer must have a reasonable belief that a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force.
Vehicle as a Weapon: This includes situations where the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury. For example, if a driver is intentionally plowing into an officer or bystander.
"plowing into"
Quite different than "slowly turning the wheel away from the scene, from people, from officers, and just starting to slowly drive away."
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Tom LeykisRe: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Spanky wrote:
"plowing into"
Quite different than "slowly turning the wheel away from the scene, from people, from officers, and just starting to slowly drive away."
Probably a GOOD IDEA to NOT hire this one as a legal consultant for your case. You may wind up as the first person HUNG for a parking ticket..... 
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Spanky wrote:
"plowing into"
Quite different than "slowly turning the wheel away from the scene, from people, from officers, and just starting to slowly drive away."
Very different. The situation you are describing is not what happened. You fuqing vermin are incapable of acknowledging truth, facts, and reality.
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
What misinformation?
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Spanky wrote:
"plowing into"
Quite different than "slowly turning the wheel away from the scene, from people, from officers, and just starting to slowly drive away."
That only happened after she started driving directly toward him so your point is moot.
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Spanky wrote:
Possibly. That is not the point. The OP posted disinformation. The law doesn't say what the OP says it says.
It wasn't meant to be conveyed that the message appeared in the statute word-for-word.
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Ron_Santo_ReduxRe: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Spanky is what they call "mental"
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SpankyRe: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
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That only happened after she started driving directly toward him so your point is moot.
He murdered her since his actions were outside the acceptable use of deadly force. She did not "plow into" or attempt to "plow into" anyone. She tried to slowly drive away.
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SpankyRe: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
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It wasn't meant to be conveyed that the message appeared in the statute word-for-word.
It doesn't appear in the statute at all.
But the OP is free to adjust his post, and I will remove the label.
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Spanky wrote:
He murdered her since his actions were outside the acceptable use of deadly force. She did not "plow into" or attempt to "plow into" anyone. She tried to slowly drive away.
What she did is irrelevant - it is what he reasonably thought she was doing (without the benefit of hindsight, multi-angle, slow-mo video, testimony of others, etc.) that matters.
He gave her an order to turn off her vehicle and exit the car. She refused.
Her partner threatened him.
She put the car in drive and started moving towards him while her partner - who had just threatened him - screamed "drive baby, drive!"
It was reasonable for him to assume she was going to run him over, and thus it was within his rights to employ deadly force.
I think the follow-up shots and post-shooting utterances unnecessary, but he should not - and will not - be charged or reprimanded.
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SockpuppetRe: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
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What she did is irrelevant - it is what he reasonably thought she was doing (without the benefit of hindsight, multi-angle, slow-mo video, testimony of others, etc.) that matters.
He gave her an order to turn off her vehicle and exit the car. She refused.
Her partner threatened him.
She put the car in drive and started moving towards him while her partner - who had just threatened him - screamed "drive baby, drive!"
It was reasonable for him to assume she was going to run him over, and thus it was within his rights to employ deadly force.
I think the follow-up shots and post-shooting utterances unnecessary, but he should not - and will not - be charged or reprimanded.
Nah. He was never threatened. He never gave her an order. His actions were not reasonable. He should be charged. And he eventually will be. Even if it is a few years from now.
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
So you're saying federal officers must obey all state laws? So if a state makes a law that says, no ICE officers allowed on public roads or private property, they must obey it?
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Sockpuppet wrote:
Nah. He was never threatened. He never gave her an order. His actions were not reasonable. He should be charged. And he eventually will be. Even if it is a few years from now.
Low IQ rebuttal.
"Come at us" is a threat.
"Get out of the car" is an order.
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Re: There is no state in the continental US that says a law enforcement officer can discharge his weapon in self defense at an on coming vehicle being used as a threat
Sockpuppet wrote:
Nah. He was never threatened. He never gave her an order. His actions were not reasonable. He should be charged. And he eventually will be. Even if it is a few years from now.
False.
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