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#1 Yesterday 14:49:00

DC Pipe Bomber says Trump blanket pardon applies to him

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#2 Yesterday 14:53:59

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Key Characteristics of Pardons
Specificity for Individuals: Most pardons are for a single person and a defined federal offense, often requiring good conduct post-conviction.

"Private Deed": A pardon is a personal act, effective only when delivered and accepted by the recipient.

In essence, while they can be broad for classes of offenses or individuals, a true "blanket pardon" covering any future unknown crime faces significant legal questions, reports the Brennan Center for Justice.

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#3 Yesterday 14:58:55

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Key Characteristics of Pardons
Specificity for Individuals: Most pardons are for a single person and a defined federal offense, often requiring good conduct post-conviction.

"Private Deed": A pardon is a personal act, effective only when delivered and accepted by the recipient.

In essence, while they can be broad for classes of offenses or individuals, a true "blanket pardon" covering any future unknown crime faces significant legal questions, reports the Brennan Center for Justice.

Trumps pardon did not cover 'future unknown crimes' - it covered crimes made on January 6th by Trump's supporters.  The private deed argument is more effective, but then you get into the case that the bomber is only accepting the pardon now, but that it was still valid.

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#4 Yesterday 15:00:28

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Key Characteristics of Pardons
Specificity for Individuals: Most pardons are for a single person and a defined federal offense, often requiring good conduct post-conviction.

There is a good sized list of J6th pardonees who have since been arrested for a variety of violent crimes.

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#5 Yesterday 15:04:13

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Trumps pardon did not cover 'future unknown crimes' - it covered crimes made on January 6th by Trump's supporters.  The private deed argument is more effective, but then you get into the case that the bomber is only accepting the pardon now, but that it was still valid.

The President is supposed to "be aware" of who he is pardoning as a requirement too.

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#6 Yesterday 15:05:47

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There is a good sized list of J6th pardonees who have since been arrested for a variety of violent crimes.

And they get tried and convicted for those crimes.

Unless they get a second pardon.

The justice system seems to still be working mostly.

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#7 Yesterday 15:07:54

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There is a good sized list of J6th pardonees who have since been arrested for a variety of violent crimes.

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#8 Yesterday 15:12:33

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The President is supposed to "be aware" of who he is pardoning as a requirement too.

That's got to be some sort of "Euclidean ideal", that isn't always achieved.  Trump supporters would argue Biden's pardons are invalid since Biden wasn't aware of them and they were signed by autopen.  Trump himself frequently denies knowledge of pardons when he's asked about them.  A recent example of that is the pardon of the former president of Honduras for drug trafficking.

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#9 Yesterday 15:30:28

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That's got to be some sort of "Euclidean ideal", that isn't always achieved.  Trump supporters would argue Biden's pardons are invalid since Biden wasn't aware of them and they were signed by autopen.  Trump himself frequently denies knowledge of pardons when he's asked about them.  A recent example of that is the pardon of the former president of Honduras for drug trafficking.

What's Not Allowed
"Secret" Pardons for Unknown Crimes: A pardon for an unknown person for an unknown future crime would likely be deemed unconstitutional, as it lacks the required specificity and intent.

In essence, while a President doesn't need a personal relationship or full dossier on everyone, they must have a clear understanding of what crimes or which groups are covered by the pardon.

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The actual complaints are by the left saying Trump wasnt aware of exactly who he pardoned from the j6 crowd.

"According to google"

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